Recordkeepers Talk Collaboration, Challenges in Adviser Relationships

Recordkeepers on a PLANADVISER 360 panel said relationships work best when advisers know their growth strategy and needs.

Recordkeeper leaders say relationships with plan advisers work best when the adviser has a good sense of where they want to take their practice and know what they need from the recordkeeper to achieve those goals.

“The advisers that we work best with have a sense of where they want to take things and how they want to grow their practice,” Jason Crane, head of core retirement at Ascensus, told an audience of advisers at the PLANADVISER 360 national conference on Monday in Scottsdale, Arizona.

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Adviser Kim Cochrane, director of client services at Hub International Retirement and Wealth Management, who was running the session, was on the recordkeeper side before becoming an adviser. She asked the group of recordkeeper leaders what they see great advisers do to ensure a productive relationship.

Crane noted that, historically, plan advisers could grow incrementally one new plan sponsor client at a time. But today, the fee compression that has hit recordkeepers has also made its way to advisers, who are now seeking growth in other areas, including ancillary benefits and wealth management. That has made good advisers “really intentional about where [they] want to grow the business, which enables the recordkeeper to help you identify the right solutions.”

Colin West, senior vice president of sales, at Fidelity Investments, stressed the benefits that can come when an adviser works with the recordkeeper before going to a retirement plan committee or strategy meeting with a plan sponsor client.

“Our managing directors are relationship managers,” West said. “They want access; they want to be able to have some value add for the client. So really good advisers have that meeting [with Fidelity], not necessarily five minutes before in the parking lot [before seeing a client], … but they do something in advance that is intentional and allows us to go in together and share [stories] that complement each other.”

Beyond the Plan

West also stressed that the Fidelity partner is not there to offer everything to the client, but to take the adviser’s lead if they are offering ancillary services or consulting beyond the defined contribution plan.

“If you have the ability to offer insights with respect to health or with respect to equity compensation plans or with respect to donor advised funds or charitable giving—whatever it is—we’ve found that clients want that to come from one person, and, ideally, it’s you, the specialist,” he said. “That’s where, versus maybe the casual adviser, you have a really big leg up.”

Melissa Doucette of Principal Financial Group, stressed that advisers can also work with the recordkeeper to learn or grow in other areas, such as employee stock ownership plans or defined benefit pension risk transfers.

“We have experts in all those areas,” said Doucette, Principal’s national sales director for strategic relations, retirement and income solutions. “You don’t need to be the expert. We can help you prospect and will help you set up that meeting. … So lean on the resources you have access to.

Cochrane also asked the recordkeepers about the other direction—areas when relationships with advisers go bad.

Crane, of Ascensus, said the relationship works best when advisers have “realistic expectations of their recordkeeper,” with a goal of working with them and using their resources, rather than just driving down the cost.

Kurt Ritter, a consultant relations director at Voya Financial, said it is best when an adviser can drill down into the needs of the particular workplace they are serving to keep the costs in line with the services.

“We focus on keeping things at the work site and in-plan … because we think that drives the costs down as well,” he said.

For instance, Ritter said, his team will work with an adviser to price out an additional offering separately, such as a nonqualified plan, rather than lumping it in with the DC plan and potentially charging a higher fee.

Wealth Coordination

Cochrane queried the recordkeeper leads about the tension between advisers and recordkeepers in getting wealth services clients from the plan..

The recordkeeper panelists stressed that they are partners in working with advisories interested in wealth management services.

Doucette, of Principal, said the firm had not gone out to spend money on a wealth division, but instead had a robo-advisory service and otherwise looked to partner with advisers on wealth leads if that is their business model.

West, of Fidelity, noted that his firm has a program to work with advisers to identify participants who may be interested in wealth services, including sharing relevant information from the plan.

A member of the audience later challenged West, saying that they had experienced Fidelity calling up clients in a plan they advised.

West responded that, more than a decade ago, Fidelity had a program like that, but it had been stopped, and Fidelity now works with advisers interested in providing wealth services, not undercutting them.

Principal’s Houston Says Recordkeepers Must Go Beyond Scale, Innovate to Expand Services

The head of the recordkeeper, asset manager and insurer foresees further consolidation, with winners innovating for advisers and participant services.

Dan Houston, chairman and CEO of Principal Financial Group, says scale continues to be important in the continuing consolidation of recordkeeping companies, but stressed that innovation and participant services that plan advisers can best leverage is what will lead to sustained growth. 

Houston, speaking at the PLANADVISER 360 conference on Monday in Scottsdale, Arizona, said he anticipates further acquisitions and consolidation among recordkeepers, but the future requires more customization for advisers and plan sponsors. On Tuesday, Principal announced that Houston will step down as CEO at the start of 2025, to be replaced by Chief Operating Officer and recently named President Deanna Strable. Houston will continue to serve as the executive chair of Principal’s board.

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In a final public appearance before the announcement, Houston stressed the need for the retirement industry to better meet the needs of participants.

“The question is: How do you create a platform that allows advisers, participants and plan sponsors to be better, well served and really checking the box on financial security?” he asked. “We can’t always be dependent on government rules and regulations changing, like Secure 1.0 and 2.0,” referencing the Setting Every Community Up for Retirement Enhancement Act of 2019 and the SECURE 2.0 Act of 2022.

Houston said the lack of standardization in recordkeeping processes has been further complicated in the past decade due to the growing demand from large employers for more tailored solutions that link with their existing systems.

“There are as many ways to handle recordkeeping as there are recordkeepers,” Houston explained. “The technical side of it is complex, and it’s only become more so as plan sponsors increasingly demand customization and integrated solutions for their payroll and benefit systems.”

Principal acquired Wells Fargo & Co.’s retirement division in 2019, bringing on a number of large plan sponsors.

Houston addressed the challenges of managing not just 401(k) records, but also other retirement and benefit-related data, including frozen defined benefit plans and deferred compensation arrangements. He emphasized the need for recordkeepers to provide consolidated views for plan sponsors, making it crucial to manage these different data types in a unified and secure way.

401(k) Trust

Houston also spoke about the importance of maintaining the trust of U.S. workers and expanding access to employer-based retirement plans, rather than having government programs step in.

“401(k) participants trust their employer,” said Houston. “Not only do they trust the employer, but they also trust this industry that the money they’re setting aside is going to be there.”

Leah Sylvester, executive partner in and president of retirement plans at Shepherd Financial LLC, speaking with Houston during the “fireside” conversation at the conference, gave the example of a person who, in switching jobs, did not have access to an employer-based retirement plan. Sylvester offered to help the person open an individual retirement account, but found it took considerable effort to carve out the time to complete the process.

“The account process wasn’t hard,” Sylvester explained. “It’s just: How do we get people to pause to do the things that they already know they should be doing?”

She noted that this challenge is common, as people often struggle to take necessary steps toward securing their financial future, even when they understand the importance of doing so.

Houston agreed, speaking to the need for the retirement plan industry and employers to keep expanding workplace retirement plan access—as opposed to government programs that have been discussed and brought forward by some policymakers.

If the industry cannot create “convenient payroll deduction at the workplace, some other system will,” Houston said. “That’s why the industry trade [associations] are paying very close attention to what the Democrats and the Republicans are doing to make sure that there is a commercial need to ensure that people don’t fall through the system as we define it. In other words, broadening the scope to include IRAs at the workplace. That’s something that’s on my mind every day, and we have the capacity today to do that.”

Election Impact

While emphasizing the need for the retirement industry to maintain its trustworthiness, Houston also acknowledged other political events that could impact the future of retirement savings, such as tax implications.

With Republicans likely to hold control in the House, Senate and the presidency in 2025, Houston noted that political dynamics might reduce immediate pressures, but warned that the federal deficit continues to grow in what remains a relatively strong market. As co-chair of the American Council of Life Insurers’ tax committee, Houston has been vocal about the importance of the tax-deferral benefits enjoyed by 401(k), 403(b) and other defined contribution retirement plans, which he argues are crucial for motivating retirement savings.

“Employers want to support their employees, and the tax-deductibility of retirement contributions is a key factor,” he emphasized. “Participants value the ability to defer taxes until they’re likely in a lower tax bracket, typically in retirement, which encourages individuals to engage in retirement planning.”

Houston said employers may feel reluctant to add or expand retirement plan offerings because they think their company is too small or the administrative expenses are too high, but he argued there are many affordable options.

“We have an employer-based system which is trusted,” he said. “We’ve got something good going for us. What we can’t afford to do is to ever breach that and to have ourselves, as an industry, not doing what’s in the best interest of the participants and … plan sponsors, which is why the industry need to make sure it holds itself in check.”

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