2022 RPAY – John O’Brien, Venture Visionary Partners


Business at a Glance as of 12/31/21

  • Plan assets under advisement: $518,673,226 
  • Median plan size (in assets): $3,151,216
  • Plans under administration: 61
  • Total participants served: 8,296

PLANADVISER: As a retirement plan adviser, what do you take the most pride in?

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O’Brien: I feel if you choose to dedicate your practice to employer-sponsored retirement plans there is only one place for pride to exist, in the service of others. As plan advisers we have large amounts of assets under advisement, hundreds of millions, if not over a billion. These are not just dollars. They are goals, dreams and the fruits of each individual employee’s hard work.

For most, the 401(k) is going to be their only retirement savings and that is frequently coupled with a lack of basic investment knowledge or access to it. Every group or individual meeting I conduct is another opportunity for participants to learn the benefits of compounding growth, understand why market volatility can present long-term opportunity, or quite simply learn to rationalize savings over spending.

It takes long hours, even longer periods of planning, and comes with a more modest reward than some of our colleagues in private wealth may enjoy for the same time commitments. For me, it doesn’t matter if they’re a newly eligible hourly employee or a salaried highly compensated executive. I take pride in delivering the same level of service to each participant.

PLANADVISER: How do you grow your business? What changes to your practice or service model are you planning for 2022 or 2023?

O’Brien: Since 2019, my business has grown mostly from client and partner referrals. I have always balanced the sponsor and participant service experiences so that one is not subordinate to the other, and clients routinely comment on that commitment. To ensure clients are not adversely impacted by growth I continuously focus on increased efficiency over fees. This became quite difficult in 2020 as COVID precautions and mandates restricted some of the keystones of my practice, on-site and in-person service. I was able to quickly adapt the benefits of remote technologies with plan sponsors and participants, logging more than 300 hours of virtual meetings in 2020 and more than 150 hours in 2021 as on-site meetings resumed.

Looking forward to 2022 and 2023, virtual offerings that allow me greater flexibility to provide participant services is a key focus. Pre-recorded educational webinars for clients with multi-state footprints employ more than 3000 combined participants are being planned. This project will provide plan updates and financial wellness related topics for participants, specific to their plan, that can be accessed on demand, utilizing the employer’s intranet and web hosting, where utilization is measurable. Virtual live meetings will also be incorporated and is expected to drive individual attendance. I believe this will be another tool to emphasize participant service while increasing efficiency, which in turn allows for continued growth and capacity.

PLANADVISER: What challenges do you think the retirement plan industry faces and what role do you have in addressing and confronting those challenges?

O’Brien: The greatest challenge I see is adapting and elevating the adviser value proposition for plan sponsors. In 2012, fee disclosure and plan provider practices were at the front of plan sponsor minds and it presented opportunity to build value in advisory relationships, beyond investment guidance. Pricing went down, competition went up, and participant services expanded. Plan sponsors experienced the benefits of a dedicated plan advisor which propelled the conversations and industry forward.

A decade later we have significant platform consolidation, a lack of a uniform standard for fee disclosure reporting, and platforms providing services that mirror the traditional adviser role. This has led to reduced competition, automated advisory solutions, rising prices among providers, and the displacement of options for smaller plans including startups. In some instances, the platforms are defining relationships instead of advisers.

To address these challenges and remain relevant it is important to understand the needs of your client and propose services accordingly, especially if it includes participant service and engagement. Be honest with yourself and decide if your strengths align with their values and priorities. It’s okay to pass on business if they do not. It also takes a bit of humility to understand that not every plan needs an adviser, and that number is likely to increase as platforms expand their services.

PLANADVISER: Why do you feel it is important to work individually with plan participants? 

O’Brien: The push towards automated enrollment has benefited participants in terms of participation and contributions. Structurally, these programs can benefit the plan at the expense of participant confidence and/or understanding. The two most common pieces of feedback I get during initial employee meetings are: “I don’t know how I am invested, whether it is right for me, and if I am contributing enough,” and, “I don’t want to participate, I was auto enrolled, how do I get my money back?”

Knowledge that is conveyed through direct, person to person, interaction has proven time and again to enhance the participant experience. Individual meetings allow a participant to listen, learn at a level suitable for them, gain confidence in their long-term savings goals, and make decisions that impact their individual situation. They take ownership of a benefit they otherwise may have dismissed and have a better understanding of how much control they have. We can discuss risk tolerances, investing mechanics, and address personal factors that can’t otherwise be covered in a group setting.

It is very common for participants to feel they are okay, until market events or personal circumstances change. Individual meetings allow us to expand on behaviors that may present obstacles for long-term success, such as plan loans and headline risk. Employing a regular, predictable, education schedule with active support from plan sponsors benefits the entire plan while building advisor value. This is best accomplished by employers mandating a sign-up time and accommodating the meeting’s delivery during employee scheduled workhours.

PLANADVISER: What are the biggest challenges that plan participants face today and how are you helping to address them?

O’Brien: In my opinion it is the focus on their balance as opposed to its ability to provide the needed income for comfortable retirement. When I first begin meeting with participants a majority lack understanding of how it works when they will retire; rollovers, drawn down percentages, target allocations, and a general understanding of how they will fund retirement expenses. I discuss all these topics during individual meetings, but the greatest impact comes from our financial planning process. It is voluntary and included as part of my service to the plan. We provide planning and goal analysis for any participant willing to take the time and energy to provide the information. It is not contingent upon a private wealth relationship or management of assets outside the plan by our firm, making it truly an educational benefit without strings.

This approach in particular serves to build trust with participants while educating and setting reasonable expectations. The plan is focused on the probability of achieving success given the factors they describe and completely removes any sales-oriented component from the conversation. Knowledge is empowerment and allows for confident decision-making. I’ve had participants with very large balances realize they were likely to encounter income shortfalls and the plan allowed them to adjust their savings and investing behaviors to achieve a higher probability of success. In contrast, I’ve had participants that were delaying retirement because they didn’t have that magic million-dollar 401(k). Planning allowed them to realize they had more than enough to retire immediately if they wanted to, based on their income needs and goals.

2022 RPAY – Brady Dall, OneDigital


Business at a Glance as of 12/31/21

  • Plan assets under advisement: $4 billion
  • Median plan size (in assets): $25 million
  • Plans under administration: 163
  • Total participants served: Approximately 110,000

PLANADVISER: Tell us about your practice and how you got into advising retirement plans.

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Dall: As one of our first clients can tell you, I got my start by helping with enrollment meetings when I was 12 years old. That was 24 years ago, and those clients are still with us today. They love to joke about how they trained me. It was this early exposure where I learned how fun this business could be, but more importantly I developed a respect for what we do and how many people we help.  

Where I really developed a passion for the business and decided on making it a career was during an internship during college with National Retirement Partners in Sothern California. Here I learned from the best and brightest, they were early pioneers in this niche of the financial services industry. I really got to sample every side of the business working closely with service providers, adviser practice leaders, broker dealer executives, industry media experts and plan sponsors. It was clear to me that I wanted to work directly with employers and their employees to experience firsthand the direct impact thought leadership and proper counsel can have on the lives of many.

Over 15 years later I look back on my decision to pursue this career and can’t imagine doing anything else! We grew our team to 15 equally passionate retirement experts and helped hundreds of companies elevate their retirement benefits along the way.

In January 2020 we completed a merger with 10 of our close friends and partner firms around the country, officially joining forces after a loose affiliation for many years. We merged our teams and RIA with OneDigital, a leading HR and benefits firm. Now I’m blessed to be part group of industry leaders building one of the largest national platforms in the retirement & wealth space. This scale and brain trust is allowing us to continue to innovate for our clients and solve their complex challenges better than ever before.   

 

PLANADVISER: How is your team/process/structure unique? How has it evolved? Where will you be in five years?

Dall: Siloed benefit and retirement programs do not address the needs of employees today. We believe health and wealth are exclusive in the minds of employees. We have evolved into a collaborative cross-functional team which sets us apart from many of our competitors who continue to manage employee health, wealth, HR and total rewards strategies in silos. This unique team structure helps us understand and address the total picture for the employee as they work to maximize their benefits dollars.

Our team sits at the intersection of decisions that impact employee’s ability to afford health insurance, create wealth, and prepare for a dignified retirement. Our greatest differentiator is our “people first” philosophy. Like so many of our clients, we lead with culture, we drive results, and we invest in relationships with our clients by treating their success as our own. We do more than just 401(k) consulting; we assist in building cultures and empowering employees to rise to their true potential.

In five years, my retirement team will be even further integrated with our entire team of holistic workforce strategists at OneDigital. This will allow us to show up as one and to more effectively solve client challenges, while respecting their time constraints.

 

PLANADVISER: As a retirement plan adviser, what do you take the most pride in?

Dall: Helping some of the best employers in the country solve their workforce challenges while also helping main street Americans reach achieve a dignified retirement. It’s a double win for our team and what makes us proud of the work we do every day.

 

PLANADVISER: What challenges do you think the retirement plan industry faces and what role do you have in addressing and confronting those challenges?

Dall: I believe the what the industry is calling the “coverage gap” to be one of most acute challenges we must address to avoid government intervention. We know American workers are 10-times more likely to save for retirement if their employer sponsors a workplace retirement program like 401(k). We also know we have a retirement savings crisis here in the U.S.

It is employers that can make a huge dent in this crisis by sponsoring retirement plans. This gap is most heavily focused in the small business market where retirement plans are often absent. Small employers are already burdened with enough, but as their strategic advisers we can make a difference by reducing the barriers to entry and supporting start up plans. This can make a huge dent in the savings crisis while doing good for our clients, helping them better recruit, retain and reward their workforce. At OneDigital we have over 90,000 employer clients, a significant portion of these relationships are small businesses without a retirement plan. We are changing that and making a difference for millions of Americans in the process. If we solve this problem in the private sector, we are more likely to avoid government intervention.

 

PLANADVISER: Why do you feel it is important to work with plan sponsors and companies offering retirement benefits to their people? 

Dall: It may be cliché, but for good reason. We make a difference!

Being a retirement plan adviser aligns my passion for finance, teaching, consulting and making a difference. We educate our clients on the retirement savings crisis in our country, and I believe it is our job to help the employers understand why they need to play an integral role in helping people save. Many committees may not jump on the band wagon immediately. It can take several different approaches to find the one that resonates and motivates them to employ the tactics to move folks towards a successful path. I have learned to never give up on educating and promoting strategies we know make a difference.

We have countless success stories of helping plans move the needle in a big way and it’s not always the same strategy with each employer, it requires persistence and passion for outcomes. We help them envision the legacy they can leave and families they can impact with their stewardship. When the decision makers see that passion, they are more likely to get on board and when we succeed it helps thousands of other succeed as well.

 

PLANADVISER: What are the most important issues that your plan sponsor clients face with their company retirement plans, and what particularly effective or unique actions do you take to assist them in overcoming those issues?

Dall: Fiduciary and operational issues still seem to be some of the biggest issues plan sponsors worry about and experience. Some are apparent and others they may be unaware of, but with class action suits and regulatory enforcement in the news more than ever before, stakeholders are understandably concerned.

To help clients address these fiduciary concerns and unlock operational accuracy and efficiency, we begin every new relationship with a fiduciary and operational audit, which is basically a mock DOL and IRS audit. Our process uncovers deficiencies and inefficiencies ensuring tight controls going forward and preparing the plan for possible future scrutiny. Plan fiduciaries rest easy, and this allows the focus to shift to the bigger picture of driving successful outcomes for plan participants.

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