2023 RPAY – Kim Cochrane, HUB International


Business at a Glance as of 12/31/22

  • Plan assets under advisement: $1.1 billion
  • Median plan size (in assets): $6 million
  • Plans under administration: 198
  • Total participants served: 17,000

PLANADVISER: How is your team/process/structure unique? How has it evolved? Where will you be in five years?

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Cochrane: Locally we are a small team of seven employees, with five advisers, one support staff and one educational consultant. We are also part of a Mid-Atlantic team of top advisers at HUB, as well as part of a global organization. Each adviser has a book of business, but Kim Cochrane also serves in an organizational management position in which she is responsible for relationship management and business improvements. We are, collectively, a diverse practice, and we collaborate with other members in the Mid-Atlantic team to embrace each of our specialties to serve our clients. We have grown from a single adviser who was brought into the retirement business as an offshoot of a large group benefits practice into a practice that focuses on clients of all size, but with a hyper-focus on nonprofit organizations. In five years, exponential growth is expected. HUB International has multiple lines of business, with more than 2 million clients as of December 2021. This opportunity and encouragement for cross-selling is a focus of the company.


PLANADVISER: As a retirement plan adviser, what do you take the most pride in?

Cochrane: The greatest pride comes from working with employees and being able to provide solutions tailored to where they are, not where we think they should be. When you can have a conversation and the employee relays how great it was that they were able to talk to you and that you truly helped them, that is a gift. We work with many employees who may be lower-paid but who need to have a plan to accumulate wealth for their future. These employees often tell us they want to build generational wealth in their family that has never existed before. We want to be the driving force behind helping them reach their goals.


PLANADVISER: How do you grow your business? What changes to your practice or service model are you planning for 2023 or 2024?

Cochrane: We participate in many local associations and networking groups, where we are able to form strong alliances. In addition, as part of a business insurance and group benefits practice, we are often referred into existing clients. This is especially true when it comes to start-up nonprofit groups. Kim Cochrane and Eduardo Gimenez are adjunct professors for The Plan Sponsor University and hold sessions twice a year for plan sponsors. For 2023 and 2024, we expect to participate more by sitting on association boards and by being more active in our community.


PLANADVISER: What challenges do you think the retirement plan industry faces and what role do you have in addressing and confronting those challenges?

Cochrane: The retirement plan industry gets more and more complex every year with the regulatory changes. In addition, the consolidation of recordkeepers is concerning. Recordkeepers used to have very qualified employees who could answer clients’ complex questions, but we have found that those employees are no longer employed there. The consultation and educational side of the business has now shifted to the advisers. With fee compression hitting all sides of the business, we have to rely on tech and seamless solutions to be able to provide a higher level of service for the same or lower fees.

We implemented many of the tech options made available during the COVID-19 pandemic, including one-on one sessions with employees and plan sponsors using Teams or Zoom that could be arranged via a calendar link. This frees up our time with scheduling issues and allows us to reach not only the employee, but also their family, since many employees are still working from home.

Utilizing managed accounts, when appropriate, and 3(38) lineups has streamlined our workload so we can grow without a loss to service.


PLANADVISER: Why do you feel that retirement plan advisers should get involved in the expansion of the DC retirement plan system to cover more types of employers and employees?

Cochrane: There is a need for all employees and employers to have access to a retirement plan that is easy to administer and competitively priced. As for the breadth of the problem, those without access to a workplace plan stand at 46% of private sector workers, or 57.3 million of an estimated total of 124.6 private sector employees, according to Georgetown University’s Center for Retirement Initiatives study. The study also noted that this gap is “inequitably distributed,” with greater gaps found in the small business sector and among workers with lower incomes, younger workers, members of a minority group and women. We have to do better as an industry.

This is also an opportunity for advisers to find a solution to work with these new and smaller employers, since there is huge potential as well. By providing a retirement plan to small employers, advisers can build tremendous revenue.


PLANADVISER: What are the biggest challenges preventing the broader delivery of tax-advantaged retirement savings opportunities in the workplace, and how might these be solved?

Cochrane: Cost is the biggest challenge for employers to start a retirement plan. In addition, they may not have staff equipped to handle the administration or have knowledge of what is needed to maintain the plan. The tax credits will surely help, as well as the relaxation of testing for starter 401(k)s. By providing 3(16) solutions, we can work toward reducing the workload for these clients, as well as offering fiduciary 3(38) services to reduce the investment risk to the clients.

The latest Secure 2.0 Act left out nonprofit employers from the tax credits, as they do not pay federal taxes. This needs to change! We have spoken to our senators and representatives, as well as industry people, like Brian Graff, to address this oversight. My hopes are that a solution is found to be able to offer payroll tax offset to make it equitable.

2023 RPAY – Steven Scott, RSG Advisory


Business at a Glance as of 12/31/22

  • Plan assets under advisement: $1.1 billion
  • Median plan size (in assets): $6.5 million
  • Plans under administration: 176 qualified plan clients and 213 adopting employers in the isolved Pooled Employer Plan
  • Total participants served: 15,112

PLANADVISER: Tell us about your practice and how you got into advising retirement plans.

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Scott: I started in the business right out of college in Boston in 1995. At that time, 401(k)s were just starting to really take off, and employee education was a relatively new concept. I worked at State Street Global Advisors and focused on the large market, where I supported sponsors such as Boeing, Chevron, the State of Michigan and Kodak.


PLANADVISER: How is your team/process/structure unique? How has it evolved? Where will you be in five years?

Scott: We are a large plan consulting practice that brings professionalism, specialists’ skill set and fiduciary process to the smaller end of the market, as well as to our core market clients. Having a TPA division was the special sauce in the past and remains very relevant, but in addition, now we have aggressively moved into the PEP space to address this underserved but growing market.


PLANADVISER: As a retirement plan adviser, what do you take the most pride in?

Scott: We are still truly independent. We do not have a large personal wealth management practice; we do not do other benefits or have diluted ownership. We are a truly independent and bootstrapped consulting firm that does not have to modify our service model for investors; everything is done with the client interest as the core driver.


PLANADVISER: How do you grow your business? What changes to your practice or service model are you planning for 2023 or 2024?

Scott: The commitment and belief as we started to feel that the Secure Act was coming a few years back changed our approach. Today we are a 3(38) on two national Pooled Employer Plans and do direct adviser support to 213 underlying adopting employers. This growth is actually increasing, and we have a new PEP we will be “relaunching” in May. These have really been focused on bringing new sponsors and participants into the retirement plan space.


PLANADVISER: What challenges do you think the retirement plan industry faces and what role do you have in addressing and confronting those challenges?

Scott: Everyone wants benefits expansion. Auto-features work and, I believe, will eventually became a federal mandate for all plans (and obviously new ones as of 2025). But this will create a lot more consulting to reevaluate plan design and benefit models. All of this will happen at a time when fee compression remains a major issue. The PEPs, we believe, will be a much more cost-effective way to serve this market. In addition, we are expanding segmentation, trying to leverage more technology and video training.


PLANADVISER: Why do you feel that retirement plan advisers should get involved in the expansion of the DC retirement plan system to cover more types of employers and employees?

Scott: Everyone wants a massive plan with meaningful revenue on Day 1. But as we all chase and fight for those clients, the fact is that the market is well cared for and well handled. We believe that we are the primary advisory support for most of our participants. Most Americans need help, and [Washington,] D.C. is making it very evident that the avenue where they expect that help to come from is in the qualified plan arena. So revisiting models to play in this space is both opportunistic and essential.


PLANADVISER: What are the biggest challenges preventing the broader delivery of tax-advantaged retirement savings opportunities in the workplace, and how might these be solved?

Scott: Overcomplicating solutions is not the approach we want. There are many good ideas in ERISA and recent legislation like the Secure Act and Secure 2.0 Act. But it is often seen as confusing and burdensome to small business owners. This is worsened with so many plans being serviced by non-specialist brokers and benefit advisers. It would be nice to have more clarity on legislation from governing bodies such as the DOL and the IRS sooner. In addition, safe harbor choices should be expanded, and a national mandate would level-set and take away the state mandate confusion.

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