2023 RPAY – Global Institutional Advisory Solutions, Graystone Consulting (Morgan Stanley)


Business at a Glance as of 12/31/22

  • Plan assets under advisement: $20.9 billion
  • Median plan size (in assets): $239 million
  • Plans under administration: 63
  • Total participants served: 236,372

PLANADVISER: Tell us about your practice and how you got into advising retirement plans.

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Jim Detterick: We run a large, dynamic financial advisory team that includes more than 55 financial professionals. Many of the team’s professionals are focused on our corporate relationships, where we aim to serve multiple financial needs for both plan sponsors and their employees (participants). When we started our business more than 25 years ago, we focused myopically on 401(k) plans. Over time, and as our clients’ needs grew or we won new client mandates, we expanded across the defined contribution spectrum and now consult to 403(b), 401(a) and 457 plans. We also help plan sponsors implement and maintain nonqualified deferred compensation plans (top hat, SERPs, deferred compensation plans), defined benefit plans (traditional annuity and cash balance), equity compensation plans (RSU, PSU, SOP, etc.) and financial wellness programs across all these different plan types to engage the participant in a comprehensive fashion.

Today, our team primarily focuses on the large-market space, as most of our corporate clients are Fortune 1000-level companies with individual plan assets greater than $250 million. Furthermore, our corporate client base is quite diverse, spanning almost every industry or sector. For example, we serve alternative asset managers, law firms, for-profit healthcare organizations, retail companies, energy companies, lodging and leisure organizations and government / municipal entities.

Candidly, I did not enter the fiduciary investment consulting space on purpose. Like most college graduates, I was unaware that this space existed when I graduated. My goal upon graduation and entering the workforce was to be retained by a highly reputable organization where I could learn, grow and ultimately find what I wanted to do for the rest of my life.

As luck would have it, one of the mega-financial services firms took a chance on me more than 25 years ago, when I was hired to work in the call center of their growing and thriving retirement plan recordkeeping business. After a few fast promotions and getting to experience different aspects of the business, I had developed a very deep interest in a long-term career in the executive compensation and benefit plan space. However, as an undergraduate English major, I craved a deeper academic perspective in the finance and investment world and decided to go back to school to obtain my master’s in business administration (MBA) by attending classes on nights and weekends while remaining employed at my first firm.

In those early years, I recognized that I felt the highest levels of self-fulfillment while working directly with plan sponsors and advising solutions they appreciated. I felt immense self-gratification when a plan sponsor listened to my counsel and implemented my advice. It was at this time I decided to deepen my career by moving to the advisory side of the firm and becoming a retirement plan-focused adviser.

Roughly a decade later, I made my one and only firm change and was recruited to what is now Graystone Consulting at Morgan Stanley (at the time it was the institutional consulting business within Smith Barney). I had resisted the recruiting calls for several years but ultimately made the jump after my current firm hesitated to acknowledge fiduciary status for its advisory business in the mid 2000s, while Graystone’s predecessor had been acknowledging fiduciary status for decades. In addition to acknowledging fiduciary status, I concluded Morgan Stanley’s ongoing commitment to the corporate retirement space to be abundant and unwavering.

For the past 16 years, I have worked to grow my practice and can proudly state that I lead one of the largest teams at Morgan Stanley (by way of assets under management, size of retirement plan consulting practice and employee headcount) and run the firm’s largest ERISA-focused retirement practice. Additionally, I co-chair the internal Graystone Advisory Board, and my voice and opinions help shape Graystone Consulting’s future strategic priorities and endeavors in the corporate retirement business.


PLANADVISER: As a retirement plan adviser, what do you take the most pride in?

Detterick: Our team takes pride in our ability to meaningfully support plan sponsors and plan participants at every point in their journeys to achieve retirement readiness. We understand that a participant’s financial picture is not merely a snapshot at any given point in time but more akin to a constantly rewritten book memorializing their journey towards their personalized goals, needs and desires. Supporting participants along this journey requires individual attention from a financial professional, with advice and insights tailored to the needs of each specific participant.

The best way to illustrate our commitment to supporting our clients’ participants during their journeys to retirement readiness is the specific case of one of our team’s clients, a large municipal fire and rescue organization in the Mountain West. For this client, we offer all of their participants (more than 800 in total) one-on-one access to CFPs on our team for a comprehensive financial planning exercise conducted once per year.

In addition to directly working with plan participants, we believe another impactful way to meaningfully enhance participants’ retirement readiness outcomes is to work with plan sponsors to create an optimal plan design and investment menu, and one that is customized to the unique characteristics of the specific plan sponsor entity and its participants. Our team takes tremendous pride when a plan sponsor listens to our advice and takes meaningful steps toward enhancing their plan design or improving their investment lineup. For example, our team has recommended and helped implement the following actions:

Added after-tax contributions up to the Section 415 limit to allow participants that desire to save more the ability to do so.

At the same time, we advise these plan sponsors to introduce in-plan Roth conversions so that this after-tax money will not only grow tax-free, but can also be distributed tax-free. Assuming this enhancement will not cause any nondiscrimination testing failures, the introduction of after-tax contributions has proven to be an excellent way to increase the level of participant savings for many of our clients.

Introduced or increased automatic escalation deferral rates.

There have been several instances in which our team was hired as the new fiduciary investment consultant to a defined contribution plan, and the plan sponsor had not added auto-escalation, or had added it but capped the auto-escalation deferral rate in the low-to-mid single digits. Our team immediately advised these plan sponsors to either implement this feature or increase the cap to between 10% and 14%. This simple change has improved retirement savings rates for tens of thousands of participants across our team’s client base and will undoubtedly improve their retirement readiness.

Reduced investment menu overlap and simplified investment menus in order to minimize participant confusion.

Participant confusion or inertia is one of the key reasons some employees avoid contributing to their defined contribution plan. Graystone has seen plan lineups with more than 50 investment options, including multiple investment options in one Morningstar-style box. This setup often creates confusion for an investment professional, never mind a participant with a more limited investment acumen. In these instances, Graystone works with the plan sponsor to eliminate investment menu redundancy in the spirit of creating a lessconfusing, best-in-class investment menu. These actions, over time, have led to improved employee participation rates.

Finally, and in addition to our work around improving retirement outcomes, we are proud to state that we provide holistic, conflict-free advice. Accordingly, Graystone does NOT:

  • Charge investment managers for inclusion in its manager search database;
  • Introduce managers affiliated with Morgan Stanley to clients unless specifically requested (guaranteed by contract);
  • Accept referral fees or any other compensation from managers as a result of introductions;
  • Offer consulting services, including performance measurement, to investment management firms;
  • Purchase products or services from investment management firms; or
  • Compel investment managers to trade through Morgan Stanley’s registered broker/dealer.

Our team receives compensation solely from our role as an investment consultant. We believe that this model allows us to best serve the fiduciary interests of our clients and their participants.


PLANADVISER: What challenges do you think the retirement plan industry faces and what role do you have in addressing and confronting those challenges?

Detterick: The retirement plan industry is ever evolving, and as such, so are the challenges facing plan sponsors and their participants.

We believe the biggest challenge facing the retirement industry is getting participants to take a more proactive role in planning for their retirement. We find that the average participant rarely makes investment or deferral changes; in fact, most participants only log into their accounts on the recordkeeper website once or twice per year. This problem of participant-level inertia is troubling, and the retirement industry has unfortunately been unable to come up with a one-size-fits-all, “silver bullet” strategy that can increase participant engagement meaningfully and reliably.

While we do not profess to have the singular solution to this problem, we remain very active with our plan sponsor clients in combating participant inertia. We do this in several ways, including:

  • Working with our clients and their recordkeeping partners to craft participant communications that encourage participants to take a more active approach to managing their retirement plan accounts;
  • Recommending plan design features such as automatic enrollment and automatic escalation, which ensure that participants are maximizing their level of savings even if they choose to continue to take a hands-off approach; and
  • Hosting financial wellness seminars at which members of our team will make on-site visits to preferred plan sponsor locations to answer basic financial and retirement questions in a group setting or on a one-on-one basis.

While we believe participant inertia is the most challenging dilemma facing the retirement plan industry, we recognize there are other challenges, secondary in nature, the industry must contend with. These challenges include:

  • The regulatory environment is often complex and difficult to navigate. For example, the DOL’s rules around ESG investment strategies and their potential inclusion in defined contribution plan lineups have changed several times over the course of the last few presidential administrations. This “flip-flopping” makes it difficult for plan advisers to properly advise and for plan sponsors to act in accordance with the rules and regulations.
  • Another example of the overly complex regulatory environment was the passage of the original SECURE Act and the SECURE 2.0 Act of 2022. Both pieces of legislation were extremely nuanced and all-encompassing. In fact, SECURE 2.0 contained a multitude of provisions which require additional regulatory clarity before recordkeepers can work toward practical implementation. Our team tries to stay abreast of these changes and works tirelessly with our plan sponsor clients to ensure that the appropriate decisions are made in the proper timeframe to ensure compliance with any new rules or requirements.
  • Participant litigation is another challenge facing retirement plans, particularly defined contribution plans. Our team realizes the best defense against participant litigation is to ensure that our clients always offer a very competitive, low-cost retirement plan—encompassing investments, recordkeeping, consulting and other services. By always thinking about the participant, we can not only improve retirement outcomes, but we can also take steps to mitigate the chances of potential litigation, a benefit to all who are involved.

Finally, the retirement plan industry has always struggled to help participants understand the likely or potential monthly income that can be derived from their defined contribution balance in retirement. The first SECURE Act mandated that recordkeepers begin to provide participants with a “lifetime income” illustration on their account statements. The goal of this illustration is to shift the participant’s mindset from the accumulation stage of their retirement journey to the decumulation stage. Rather than being forced to think solely in terms of their total account balance at retirement, participants were shown an estimate of the monthly income the balance would generate (similar to the monthly income provided by an annuity). Unfortunately, the mandated calculation has some shortcomings. It does not assume additional retirement plan contributions, nor does it assume any growth in assets based on the participant’s current and future asset allocation. Therefore, it is likely that the estimate on participant statements grossly underestimates one’s annuitized potential. While our team cannot control these calculations, we have worked tirelessly with each of our clients to ensure they understood the intent of this calculation. Additionally, our team has attempted to raise participant awareness of what this figure represents during participant seminars and one-on-one meetings.


PLANADVISER: Why do you feel it is important to work individually with plan participants?

Detterick: In a survey of more than 1,000 full-time employees of mid- to large-sized U.S. companies, conducted with the support of Morgan Stanley, three out of four participants responded that financial stress distracts them at work. More than half of those surveyed whose households earn more than $100,000 annually noted that their finances cause them stress. Our survey noted that participants are in most need of help with building wealth, planning for their families’ financial futures, building emergency savings, choosing and monitoring investments, managing bills and spending, improving credit and managing debt. 49% of participants surveyed would like the ability to speak with a subject-matter expert when making decisions.

These pain points require individual attention from a financial professional, with advice and insights tailored to the needs of each specific participant. A participant’s financial picture is not a snapshot in time, but a journey toward their personalized goals and objectives. Plan sponsors’ recognition of participants’ financial stress has resulted in more involvement by our team in either a formal financial wellness engagement or in ad-hoc financial education and retirement savings participant meetings. Through these meetings, we have been able to help place many of our clients’ employees on a more secure and sound path toward retirement.

One example of our dedication to the participant is the work we do with a fire and rescue municipal organization in Colorado, where we provide personalized financial planning services for more than 800 participants. Not only do we lead group meetings and events, we also conduct one-on-one meetings and run full financial plans for hundreds of employees per year. The financial plans not only consider retirement, but they also consider simple budgeting strategies, saving for children’s college tuition, weddings and other big-ticket purchases or events. Having a clear and concise financial plan in place has eased the daily financial stress of so many of this client’s employees.

This type of programming not only benefits participants; it also benefits our plan sponsor clients. More than 60% of surveyed participants noted that they would be more likely to stay at a job which provides them with a useful financial wellness program. Retaining a competitive workforce is undoubtedly key to long-term organizational success.


PLANADVISER: What are the biggest challenges that plan participants face today and how are you helping to address them?

Detterick: The biggest challenge today’s corporate retirement savers face is the shift from defined benefit plans to defined contribution plans. Said differently, the burden of retirement planning has shifted from the employer to the employee. Most corporate employers have either exited or are in the process of exiting the traditional annuity defined benefit plan space. Taking on the responsibility of a traditional defined benefit plan is too costly and risky for the employer, especially with today’s volatile markets.

The logical result is that it is imperative for consultants and their plan sponsor clients to educate and encourage employees to take full responsibility for their retirement journey. Our team does this through creative communications and participant engagement strategies, group meetings, one-on-one meetings and financial planning. We also work directly with our plan sponsor clients to ensure their retirement offering is competitive and encourages participation.

2023 RPAY – Strategic Retirement Partners


Business at a Glance as of 12/31/22

  • Plan assets under advisement: $15.14 billion
  • Median plan size (in assets): $5.06 million
  • Plans under administration: 1,000
  • Total participants served: 268,000

PLANADVISER: Tell us about your practice and how you got into advising retirement plans.

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Strategic Retirement Partners: Jeff Cullen is the CEO of Strategic Retirement Partners. He grew up in a small town in Illinois as the 4th- generation member of his family’s wholesale business. Jeff’s father stoked his entrepreneurial flames early in his life. Jeff’s family wholesale business was slowly being gobbled up by the WalMart machine, so upon college graduation, Jeff helped his dad sell the family business. Jeff then learned the trust department at their hometown bank had been churning his dad’s (and grandfather’s and uncle’s) profit-sharing account for more than 20 years, leaving them with a negative 20-year annual return. As a result of this churn, Jeff’s father could not afford to retire after selling the family business and was forced to work another decade. These events fueled Jeff’s desire to make a positive impact on the retirement plan space by helping employers take care of their people. To make the broadest impact possible, he knew he had to scale his business nationwide.

Today SRP is a nationwide, independent team of retirement plan geeks dedicated to helping workers sift through the complexities of their financial lives to achieve financial freedom. Since inception, we have been very intentional about changing the “face” of financial services. Jeff’s first hire, Deane Mayerhofer, was brought in as COO and an equity partner. They were in alignment on the goal of changing financial services and wanted to build a firm their daughters would choose to work at (both do). Accomplishing this objective required robust training programs, ongoing mentorship, empathy, emotional availability, transparency and clear vision.

SRP has been named Best Places to Work in Money Management four years running and Best Places to Work for Financial Advisors three of the last four years.


PLANADVISER: How is your team/process/structure unique? How has it evolved? Where will you be in five years?

Strategic Retirement Partners: Strategic Retirement Partners was created in 2015 with $111,000 of capital and one idea: build a company where advisers achieve operational efficiencies in a shared service model, apply technology at scale, thereby giving advisers time back to focus on what truly matters: helping Americans achieve financial independence. We recruited a small group of advisers with a collective 400 retirement plans and $5 million of gross revenue. Fast forward to 2023, and SRP now services more than 1,085 retirement plans and has more than $22 million of gross revenue. We specifically highlight the initial investment, because SRP has never had a capital call and has never taken outside money. We’ve bootstrapped our way to success, and that start-up, can-do, innovative spirit still permeates the organization.

Our vision of a shared service model is a growth engine by design. It allows advisers to outsource marketing, compliance, IT, relationship management, investment research, participant education, portfolio management and trading, HR, benefits, financial planning, legal and finance to SRP, so that their most precious commodity, the hours in the day, can be laser-focused on value creation by meeting with clients, prospects and centers of influence. This is the foundation on which we built our teams. We’ve recruited people with diverse backgrounds from a multitude of industries in an effort to make this foundation more dynamic and sustainable. We’ve attracted people from outside the industry, and interns as well, by highlighting our mission of helping hard-working folks achieve financial independence. We enjoy a near-perfect track record of interns joining us full-time at the completion of their internships. Our success with interns and bringing in young talent from outside the industry has put us in an enviable position of skewing much younger than most firms in our industry. This is impossible to do without a massive commitment to mentorship, career development and career stewardship. One of Jeff and Deane’s mottos is, “We are stewards of our people’s careers.”

One of the factors that makes SRP so unique is our remote work force. Deane and Jeff have worked remotely since their partnership began in 2007. It was born out of necessity, but it quickly became their modus operandi. Of the more than 120 people at SRP today, more than 80% are remote-based (a handful of our advisers choose to maintain a local office; SRP corporate has none). This dedication requires a heavy emphasis on technology and culture creation through other means besides hanging out at the water cooler. It is our belief that this work-life integration has created leverage for SRP in retention, productivity and overall happiness of our people. Over the years, we’ve surveyed our people about getting a physical office, and they’ve always responded with an overwhelming “No.” They “never” want to go back to “Corporate America.”

Our quest for innovation has been a key driver of SRP’s success. By driving operational efficiency through automated, integrated solutions, SRP quickly achieved scale. While most of our industry believes in renting technology solutions, we believed in the opposite: SRP needed to build it. From the beginning, we’ve reinvested in our foundation by having in-house IT developers dedicated to automating wealth management and retirement plan processes and workflows. From 2015 to present, this quest for innovation resulted in a 70% productivity increase. Over the next five years, our expectation is to continue our exponential growth and scale through continued reinvestment in our people and technology.


PLANADVISER: As a retirement plan adviser, what do you take the most pride in?

Strategic Retirement Partners: We take a great deal of pride in making a positive impact on our employees, the employers we service and their participants. Many of our advisers, employees and leadership, including Jeff and Deane, come from blue-collar roots and take special pride in taking care of the “forgotten” 70% of Americans who live paycheck-to-paycheck. While the financial services world largely ignores this population, we know that employers desperately need to retain these people, show them they care about them and provide them with a path to getting out of living paycheck-to-paycheck. We relish our role in facilitating that path out. On the retirement plan employer side, we enjoyed more than 99% client retention in 2022. We feel this is proof positive that our clients feel we are in alignment with their goals, and employee retention is chief among them. Lastly, we feel strongly that our ability to continue fulfilling our commitments to clients and participants hinges on making sure we take wonderful care of our people. Being the steward of their careers means putting their goals above ours and seeking alignment for a joint future where we, collectively, and our clients, succeed. Watching that play out in real time over the last eight years has been the most rewarding part of Deane and Jeff’s role.


PLANADVISER: How do you grow your business? What changes to your practice or service model are you planning for 2023 or 2024?

Strategic Retirement Partners: Our shared service model is a growth engine by design. The COVID environment has been a perfect test of that engine. The first year of COVID was a record organic growth year for SRP. 2021 and 2022 improved upon that. We intentionally seek out like-minded advisers that share our core belief in making a positive impact on all workers (not just the C-suite). Then we free up their calendar by handling the day-to-day responsibilities of running their practice for them. We do not plan to make significant changes in the short term. We will look to offer additional business lines that we feel will enhance our client and participant experiences.


PLANADVISER: What challenges do you think the retirement plan industry faces and what role do you have in addressing and confronting those challenges?

Strategic Retirement Partners: The challenges for the recordkeepers and plan advisers are different. Let’s start with plan advisers. Advisers have a sustainability issue. Advisers are ageing and not reinvesting quickly enough in creating the next generation of consultants. This leaves us with a knowledge deficit as an industry. This will require firms to go outside the industry, as SRP has done, and home-grow talent. Doing that requires the infrastructure, work environment, culture and mission that will attract and retain the next generation. We have always been passionate about making sure SRP is part of the long-term solution for the adviser industry. To that end, we are in the process of doubling down on this commitment, as we feel that the passage of the SECURE 2.0 Act, combined with state mandates across the country, provides an ample training ground for aspiring advisers to cut their teeth on small plans. Small plans are where the idiosyncrasies of plan design are fleshed out fastest and learned.

For recordkeepers, the challenge is personalization. The participant experience must be personalized, but this will require enormous investments in technology, as managed accounts, recordkeeping systems, in-plan income and outside data collected through AI (Artificial Intelligence) integration will have to be synthesized together to create that experience. Creating this experience on top of the enormous tech build commitment that is required due to SECURE 2.0 is daunting at best and impossible for a sizable percentage of recordkeepers. Most will either outsource their tech platform, exit or merge to find the scale required to pull this off. This will cause significant disruption within the recordkeeping space. Disruption among recordkeepers will cause advisers to consolidate business with recordkeepers that take a leadership position on personalization. To this end, we are actively working with technology providers in this space to bring personalization to the masses as quickly as possible.


PLANADVISER: Please tell us about an important experience you have had as either a mentor or mentee.

Strategic Retirement Partners: If we asked 20 people in this industry if they set out to have a career in financial services, we would wager that half of them would answer, “No.” There would be a few more who had a vague idea about being in financial services of some sort of fashion. Our niche of retirement plan and wealth management advising and consulting is not something that a 22-year-old knows they want to do with the rest of their lives. As we were building SRP, the idea of developing people who had low to no experience in financial services was an intentional direction we took. We recruited interns, individuals who didn’t have the opportunity to go to college, parents who left the workforce to raise their children and individuals from various non-financial services industries. This type of recruiting strategy can only work with strong training and mentorship programs. The reason why these team members have been successful is because of their raw, maybe not even known to them, talent. A seasoned mentor can bring out those talents and help these team members apply them to their role. We took a different strategic approach to mentorship, coupled with training and professional development. Then, with purpose and intent, we expose our staff to opportunities that may be perceived as above their skill set or experience level, of course with a safety net of their mentor relationships and our operational processes.

One important example of our mentor experience comes from a member of our management team: our director of participant experience and WELLth (wealth management). This individual came to SRP from a national payroll provider with limited retirement, wealth management and people leadership experience. She was looking for something different, and we had an opportunity available in one of our regional practices for a participant education specialist. Because of her success in that role, she was promoted to a national-level role as our director, participant experience. Through continued mentorship, she developed strong project management and people leadership skills and was requested to help us build our wealth management business unit. We gave her assignments that stretched her skillset and provided continuous mentoring on her journey to being the exceptional leader she is today. Because we built SRP on a people-first chassis, coupled with a mentorship foundation, she is now a mentor to the next generation of SRP employees. The above example is just one of our employees, but we have similar success stories across all of SRP, from our interns to operations to plan consultants and advisers.


PLANADVISER: What advice can you give to your industry peers about developing successful experiences for both mentors and mentees?

Strategic Retirement Partners: Our advice is to be intentional in your mentoring efforts, externally and internally, both as a mentor and a mentee. Have a clear objective of what the mentee is hoping to accomplish. This is about the mentee, not you as the mentor. By bringing in diversity through gender, ethnicity and new fresh, innovative thinking, we can be the change our industry talks about. Be invested in your mentee. Be their safety net and their trusted ally.

Our industry has made a lot of strides in getting the word out on the importance of mentorship, but we also need to take personal responsibility, one by one by one, to create change. We need to be a loud voice and encourage our industry peers to “grow their own,” create robust training programs and be mentors to others. We need to be intentional in our mentoring efforts in an industry that tends to be homogenous and see the value that diverse genders, ages, ethnic backgrounds and life experiences bring. In addition to mentoring the fresh-faced finance graduates, look for individuals who do not check all the boxes and see in them what they might not see in themselves. Through diverse recruiting and hiring practices, coupled with strong mentorship models, we can create change in our industry.

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